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Faith-healing parents charged in death of infant son Print E-mail
Posted by Wayne de Villiers   
Saturday, 10 October 2009


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On the last day of Kent Schaible's life, his parents and pastor intensely prayed over his 32-pound body, which, unbeknown to them, was ravaged by bacterial pneumonia.

When the 2-year-old boy finally died at 9:30 p.m. Jan. 24 inside the family's Northeast Philadelphia home, the pastor called a funeral director to take the boy's remains to the Philadelphia Medical Examiner's Office.

At no time that day, nor in the week-and-a-half prior, did Herbert and Catherine Schaible seek medical treatment for their son despite his sore throat, congestion, liquid bowel movements, sleeplessness and trouble swallowing, Assistant District Attorney Joanne Pescatore said in court yesterday.

"All it would have taken is a simple visit to a doctor for antibiotics or Tylenol, maybe, to keep this child alive," she said during the couple's preliminary hearing.

After the two attorneys representing the Schaibles argued for their innocence, Municipal Judge Patrick Dugan held them for trial on charges of involuntary manslaughter, conspiracy to commit involuntary manslaughter and endangering the welfare of a child.

 

"When you look at this case, it's obvious that what you have are loving parents who also appear to be misguided," Dugan told the couple. "Your child needed medical care. As parents, that's what your duty is, and that's why you are here in court today."

The Schaibles' case is similar to a growing number around the country in which parents are slapped with criminal charges for turning to religion rather than medical care for sick children who later die.

Herbert Schaible, 41, and Catherine Schaible, 40, of Rhawn Street near Bustleton Avenue, are free on bail and will be arraigned on Oct. 28.

They are members of the First Century Gospel Church, in the Northeast, which believes that the sick can be healed through prayer rather than by medicine, according to statements that the couple gave homicide detectives two days after their son's death.

" 'We prayed to God for victory . . . We were praying that he would be raised up, " Detective Stephen Buckley said yesterday, reading from Herbert Schaible's statement.

Herbert Schaible is a teacher at First Century Gospel Church, said his attorney, Bobby Hoof.

"They believe in faith-healing; that's fine for them," Pescatore said after the hearing. "But this was a two-year-old child."

On Jan. 13 or 14, Kent started showing symptoms of illness that at times improved but generally grew worse until his death on Jan. 24, his parents said in their statements.

" 'He was moody and demanding; you couldn't please him,' " Det. Buckley said, quoting from Catherine Schaible's statement.

Edwin Lieberman, the assistant medical examiner who did Kent's autopsy, said that he had determined the manner of death to be a homicide because the boy could have been saved with basic medical care.

Bacterial pneumonia "is very treatable," he said, but without care he "seriously" doubted if Kent improved at all, as his parents had told detectives.

Francis Carmen, Catherine Schaible's attorney, said that the couple's decision to forgo medical attention was not due to their religion, but because they thought Kent had a cold.

"The commonwealth wants to use [the Schaible's] religious beliefs as a self-fulfilling prophecy that, somehow, because they are different and because they exercise religious beliefs that are not necessarily in line with the majority of us," he said, "that is the cause of them failing to recognize that this child was as ill as he was."

Hoof, on behalf of Herbert Schaible, said that his client did everything in his power to care for his son in the days before he died - feeding him and giving him liquids.

"He cared for his child and thought his child was getting better," Hoof told reporters.

When asked why he did not call a doctor, he said: "He never said that he would not take the child to a doctor in his statement. He never said that."

 

Reposted from : http://www.philly.com/philly/news/homepage/20091008_Faith-healing_parents_charged_in_death_of_infant_son.html


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Stoffel
Faith-healing parents charged in death of infant son
Oct 12 2009 09:41:45
This thread discusses the Content article: Faith-healing parents charged in death of infant son

Could someone please explain: Why shouldn't the church and the pastor concerned be charged together with the parents? To my mind, the church should be accused number 1.
#120

Paul Bethke
Re:Faith-healing parents charged in death of infant son
Oct 13 2009 23:33:49
Stoffel wrote:
QUOTE:
This thread discusses the Content article: Faith-healing parents charged in death of infant son

Could someone please explain: Why shouldn't the church and the pastor concerned be charged together with the parents? To my mind, the church should be accused number 1.



This is very simple.
No faith no healing.
That which is called the Church has no faith so therefore there can be no healing.

Now Jesus did say if anyone had faith in him they would do what he did as recorded in the gospel that John wrote.

In the letter that James wrote he stated that they must call the elders and the prayer offered in faith will heal the sick person on confession.

So what is the conclusion?

The present day churches have no faith?
OR
There is no one to have faith in?

Therefore the evidence of faith must be seen in order to be faith.

So the churches must be held responsible for leading the people astray lying.

Regards
Paul Bethke
#124
capetonian1945
Re:Faith-healing parents charged in death of infant son
Jan 07 2010 14:50:12
I am a new convert to this site having also joined Richard Dawkins.com. in the recent past. Having read numerous articles concerning the ongoing debate over science vs. religion which has escalated in the last twelve months( Celebration of the writing of "Origin of the Species" and the birth of the author Charles Darwin) I would like to add what I believe is the only way forward for our species (at least in the secular world!).
Religion is a subject that should not be allowed in the classroom; or at least until students have been grounded in the evolutionary sciences and are able to make informed decisions without battling the indoctrination that most of my generation had to put up with!
And here's a thought...imagine if it was possible to transport somebody like the illushionist David Copperfield back to the time of Moses....who had some excellent teachers in the art of early "magic" as practised by the high priests of that era in Egypt. How would he be viewed today?
The vanity of mankind in continuing to believe that we are so special that there is some guarantee of immortality for following the teachings of a one of many early religious thinkers really beggars my mind! Does it not strike any of our believers that giving people the promise of immortality was a sure fire way of converting them to your belief system...especially when most of the believers were poor, ignorant and illiterate with little earthly chances of a better quality of life? Pity the poor bastards who lived the previous few thousand generations..
Incidents like what happened with the death of an infant would be a lot less likely if, as I said earlier,religion was kept out of classrooms.
#209

Paul Bethke
Re:Faith-healing parents charged in death of infant son
Jan 09 2010 10:25:09
Hello 1945


Religion is as we see the cause of all that is going wrong.
Being a Sceptic is also a religion
QUOTE:
Does it not strike any of our believers
because there must be certain principals to which Sceptics as a society would promote if they were in control of regulating laws?

Every religion has laws principals guide line and consequences based upon promises.

Now I do not believe that there is not one person who does not want to know what will occur after they die.

Now different religions have different views; BUT what is the truth and I know every one wants to know the truth.

You see I know the truth but how do you know that I know the truth I have to prove to you that what I believe is the truth and until that is done no one will know the truth.

Regards,

Paul Bethke
#210
capetonian1945
Re:Faith-healing parents charged in death of infant son
Jan 11 2010 08:59:23
Yes I know what will happen after I die...exactly what happens to all other living creatures on this planet...we cease to exist and revert to dust. the belief in immortality is a belief indoctrinated into all those humans taught this from an early age by parents and religious authorities who in turn were taught by their parents ..and so on. The good news is that more and more people, educated and informed individuals, are breaking away from this superstitious ignorance. The promise of eternal life for following a specific belief system when there are many secular individuals who practise the basic rules, the most basic being "do unto others as you would have done unto you" was simply a means to and end. That being heaven for believers and hell for the rest!!
As a sceptic and atheist I do not practice a religion...religions are faith based...science is fact based! And if it wasn't for enquiring minds not satified with the lack of explanations in the past we would still be living in the dark ages...
#211

Paul Bethke
Re:Faith-healing parents charged in death of infant son
Jan 11 2010 21:17:04
Greeting 1945

QUOTE:
As a sceptic and atheist I do not practice a religion...religions are faith based...science is fact based! And if it wasn't for enquiring minds not satified with the lack of explanations in the past we would still be living in the dark ages...



Faith is based on facts because it is a practice.
Obedience is the practical application.
Without a practical application there is no faith.

Every law in the Scriptures has a practical application from the clothes one wears to the food one eats to the hygienic stipulations... in fact every aspect of life is covered in the law which constitutes our faith.

Consider what Jesus taught in Matthew 5:18 I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven,
but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

These laws have to be preached and taught BUT the person must practice what they teach.

Regards

Paul Bethke
#214

Hermes
Re:Faith-healing parents charged in death of infant son
Jan 14 2010 18:56:51
Hi Stoffel,

You wrote:

QUOTE:

Could someone please explain: Why shouldn't the church and the pastor concerned be charged together with the parents? To my mind, the church should be accused number 1.


Let me begin by saying that I am not a legal expert (certainly not in US law). It is my understanding that collaborators can indeed be held liable even though not actively committing a crime. I am convinced that the First Century Gospel Church could reasonbly have foreseen a situation like this arising from their doctrine of faith healing and that they might well have been prosecuted successfully. Your view that the church should have been the first accused is also supported by the judge's view that the parents were "loving parents who also appear to be misguided".

I notice that the father (Herbert Schaibe) is himself a "teacher" in this church. It is also interesting that the father and mother are respresented by separate lawyers - the father's main defence being that they believe in faith healing; the mother's main defence being that she thought the child had a cold.

Miscellanea Agnostica mentions the case under the heading: Old Story: Killing kids for Jesus.

I have not been able to google any further developments in the case. Does anybody know what the verdict and sentence were?

Regards,
Hermes
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